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September 23 2009 - Issue #442

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Poker and Trading Mistakes Part I by Van K. Tharp

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Trading Tip

U.S. Dollar: Global Punching Bag No More by D.R. Barton, Jr.

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Does a System Need a High Percentage of Wins?

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October 12-14 Blueprint for Trading Success Cary, NC
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Poker and Trading Mistakes Part I

by
Van K. Tharp, Ph.D.

I’m currently reading Why You Lose at Poker by Russell Fox and Scott Harker. I’ve pretty much promised myself that I won’t play poker for real money again until I’ve read at least three poker books and come up with some major paradigm shifts. As I read this book, I’ve been struck by the amazing similarities between poker losses and trading losses. They are similar sorts of mistakes. As a result, I thought I’d write a series of articles covering various chapters in Why You Lose at Poker and relate them to trading mistakes that I’ve seen.

Part I: Playing Too Many Hands or Not Waiting for the Opportunities that Are Likely to Make Money

When I first started playing Texas Hold ‘em Poker, I had a friend run a computer simulation to determine the chance of winning for all 169 starting hands if you and every other player stayed in through all five up cards. We did ten million simulations with 2 players, 4 players, 6 players, 8 players, and 10 players. I’d seen someone list the probability of winning with each hand, but I didn’t believe that. It turns out I was right not to believe them after we looked at the results of our simulation.

Here were a few of our conclusions:

  1. The top starting hand was AA. It gave you an 87% chance of winning when there were only two players, but only a 33% chance of winning with ten players. This is why poker experts recommend betting big when you have a high pair to get as many people out as you can.

  2. When you got down to the 20th best starting hand, which is A9 of the same suit, you have a 62.6% chance of winning heads up (i.e., against one other person). But you only have a 15.74% chance of winning against ten players.

  3. At the 50th best hand (44), you only have a 57.4% chance of winning heads up and a 12.74% chance of winning with ten players staying. Notice that with the 50th best hand the odds are 5.7% in your favor with two players and 2.74% in your favor with ten. Those are not outstanding odds, but they are equivalent to some of the best odds that you might get with a good entry signal in trading.

  4. By the time you get to the 94th best hand, you have a 10.07% chance of winning with ten players (i.e., the odds are 0.07% in your favor) and only a 49.25% chance of winning heads up (i.e., the odds are 0.75% against you). However, the 94th best hand is different for ten players (i.e., A4 off-suit) versus two (i.e., T8 off-suit). Heads up A4 off-suit is the 49th best hand, so having an ace plus junk in your hand is useless with ten players and slightly advantageous with two players.

Clearly knowing the winning odds of the cards in your hand can help you play better. The same is true with the signals you from your trading systems. But have you taken the time to learn the odds?

Do you know the probability of winning with the trades you take? Do they differ depending on the market conditions? There are various types of markets, so the probability of winning with certain signals probably changes dramatically in different market types. Have you done the necessary research (as I did with poker hands) to determine the chances of winning with certain signals?

If you haven’t done this sort of research, then you are probably making a mistake. For example, what if you find a Graham’s number stock selling at 0.6 times its liquidation value? Is that a good deal? Or what if you find a stock that meets all of William O’Neil’s CANSLIM criteria? Is that a good deal? What are your chances of making money with those stocks?

In addition, as a poker game progresses, context becomes important. Let’s say you have KK, the second best starting hand. You bet 5 times the big blind and only one person calls. You now have odds you like, only two people playing, and you have the second best hand. The person who called you might have another high pair or perhaps a hand like AQ suited. Now comes the first three cards or the flop and those are AQJ. Now how does your KK look? Not so good. If you opponent has one A, you are in trouble. You are in even worse trouble if they called you with QQ or JJ. You bet half the pot and they re-raise you. Staying in the game under such circumstances is probably not wise and it’s another example of playing too many hands. But again, it is context dependent… perhaps you opponent is someone who calls most hands to see the flop and someone who bluffs a lot. If so, that might make your hand appear stronger. 

Trading is also a context dependent activity. You enter into a position and the next day favorable news comes out but the stock reacts poorly. You enter another position that goes up while 90% of the market goes down. What do you do with the positions now? These are context dependent decisions. Have you done enough homework to understand how to respond? If not, then like the unprepared poker player, you are making a big mistake.

Chances are most trades are just like starting poker hands: good ones give you just a slight edge. What’s important is your win/loss ratio. It’s fine to make money 40% of the time if your winners make 2R and your losers only give up 1R. Playing too many hands of poker could be the simple equivalent of making too many trades when the risk/reward ratio is not favorable enough for you to make consistent profits over time. We’ll discuss that much more extensively in Poker and Trading Mistakes Part II. 

About Van Tharp: Trading coach, and author, Dr. Van K. Tharp is widely recognized for his best-selling books and his outstanding Peak Performance Home Study program - a highly regarded classic that is suitable for all levels of traders and investors. You can learn more about Van Tharp at www.iitm.com. 

 

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 Special Event: Five-Part Super Trader Teleconference Series

This teleconference is not just one day—it’s in a five part series, starting this Monday September 28th at 8 PM (Eastern time) with the all-important topic of “Working on Yourself.” Each day will include an hour of packed information related to becoming a successful trader. Then, each call will be opened up for your questions.

Here are the five topics:

  1. Working on Yourself (developing a solid core)

  2. Developing a Business Plan to Guide Your Trading/Investing

  3. Understanding Market Type and Developing Core Systems to Fit Each Market Type

  4. Knowing Your Objectives and Using Position Sizing to Meet Your Objectives

  5. Learning How Efficient You Are and Using the 12 Tasks of Trading to Eliminate Mistakes

Trading Tip

U.S. Dollar: Global Punching Bag No More

 by 

D.R. Barton, Jr.

“When everyone gets on the same side of the boat, the result is inevitable.”-- D. R. Barton, Jr. “Private Thoughts Collection”

There have been many anecdotally famous instances of popular and widespread opinion moving so far to one side that a reversal of an extreme trend was bound to follow.

I still remember watching CNBC in the fall of 2002 when Maria Bartiromo made her famous comment from the floor of the NYSE along the lines that she was hearing indications that there was a lot of short selling going on. While Bartiromo’s comments weren’t the catalyst of the market turn, they were indicative of the common wisdom that once an idea hits the mainstream media, the trend is near its end.

The same thing happens in the general public. I wrote an article last year in June talking about seven different and unrelated people that had spoken to me about the price of oil or gas. These were not financial people; these were folks at grocery stores and schools. The market topped in a matter of weeks.

Lately, in the financial press, the declining dollar is making headlines everywhere, though the buzz is not so high among the population in general. Nobody has approached me recently with concerns about this because most Americans don’t feel directly the decline of the dollar in their day to day lives—unless they travel abroad. 

To find out if the falling dollar headlines of late are a measure of popular sentiment and a possible trend reversal indicator, I needed to get input from a group of people who might know and care about the dollar’s relative value. 

O Canada, How Concerned You Are About Investing in the U.S.

Every year, we have a large number of Canadians that attend our workshops. (As a quick aside, is there a friendlier group of people on the planet? I think not. Conde Nast magazine agrees: they ranked Canada at the top of the list of friendliest countries to visit in the world. Yet I digress.)

In the recent months, I have had no fewer than half a dozen personal requests from Canadians asking about hedging their investments in U.S. instruments. And it’s little wonder; since the March highs, the dollar has gone from $1.30 for every Canadian dollar down to just $1.07.

And when that many people start to ask about the dollar’s movement, it’s time to gear up for a move back in the other direction.

While it’s no secret that the U.S. dollar is at the whipping post of almost every media pundit, some of the smartest folks I know are now actively looking for the right timing to invest in exactly the opposite direction—dollar strength.

This is probably not a multi-year reversal. Rather it reflects research that shows many of the factors that have weakened the dollar over the past six months are now diminishing. Along with that, the natural rhythm of ups and downs will take the dollar back up.

Smart Guys, Great Analysis, Useful Conclusions

In March of this year, my best friend and business partner Christopher Castroviejo introduced me to a friend of 25 years, Marshall Auerback. Marshall is one of the owners of the RAB Capital hedge fund group.

Over a dinner of spectacular food and wine, I immediately knew that the depth of intellect as well as the breadth of knowledge at the table was something that few people get to experience in their whole life.

Christopher, Marshall and I traversed subjects from bonds to gold to crude to domestic and global markets. And then we were into U.S. and global governmental policy and stability. We diverted to wine and fine foods. And we topped it off with some talk of football, baseball, basketball and golf. All of these diverse subjects were taken to a level of depth and detail that is hard to believe. These guys are wicked smart and extremely well read.

So when Marshall or Christopher has to something to say, I always listen closely. And when they’re both on the same side of a financial issue, one would be ill advised to be on the other side for very long.

This brings me back to the dollar. Marshall wrote such a well-reasoned and concise piece on the dollar this week that I wanted to share the highlights with you. The bottom line is that he’s looking for a dollar rally soon.

  • For the current recession, the decline in the U.S. Gross Domestic Product (GDP) has been much smaller than in the European or Japanese GDP.
  • Some members of the Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) are expected to launch a campaign in favor of ending the Fed’s highly accommodating emergency policy stance. This would mean marginally or significantly higher interest rates in U.S. over time, which would lead to a stronger dollar. Just the anticipation of this being made widely known would be a strong net positive for the dollar.
  • Speculation that the dollar is being used as a funding source for an interest “carry trade” is absurd. (The carry trade means borrowing a low interest currency to invest in currencies paying higher interest and pocketing the difference). If this trade were happening, it does not describe what is happening with dollar relative to lower yielding currencies (e.g., the Yen or the Euro, which has slightly higher short-term rates and slightly lower long-term rates).

Marshall concludes with this a great summary that I’ve paraphrased here: My experience is that when extreme sentiment reverses and there is a new simple story at hand, trending bandwagon markets can reverse in a quite violent way.

Marshall is the first to agree that the timing on this trend reversal is a touchy matter; it could be today, it could take weeks or more to develop. But when extremely smart and successful money managers give us such well-reasoned thoughts, it usually pays to listen.

Next week I’ll look at some technical issues that can help us with the timing on the dollar. Until then… 

Great Trading!
D. R. 

About D.R. Barton, Jr.:  A passion for the systematic approach to the markets and lifelong love of teaching and learning have propelled D.R. Barton, Jr. to the top of the investment and trading arena.  He is a regularly featured guest on both Report on Business TV, and WTOP News Radio in Washington, D.C., and has been a guest on Bloomberg Radio. His articles have appeared on SmartMoney.com and Financial Advisor magazine. You may contact D.R. at  "drbarton" at "iitm.com".

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Mail Bag

Does a System Need a High Percentage of Wins?

Q: Hello Van, I'm looking forward to attending Blueprint next month. In the meantime I have a "Holy Grail" question.

On page 181 of Super Trader in the first bullet item you state that we need a huge number of winners and a small variation in the amounts won and lost for us to achieve a Holy Grail or very efficient system. To me this speaks to small profits with a large opportunity factor.

However, it appears that a lot of your other teaching says that you don't need a high percentage of wins you only need to catch the big R wins to make serious money in the markets.

Now if this is specific to a particular system or a specific market we're looking for, then I'll just disregard and both can work. But if not, then they would seem to be opposed. Any comments or feedback you have would be welcomed and appreciated. Regards, Joe

A: Trading systems can work well with either less frequent bigger wins or more frequent smaller wins. For me, a Holy Grail system is one with a large number of wins where the ratio of the mean R to the standard deviation of R is high. This belief relates to my beliefs on system development for different market types and the importance of using position sizing to achieve objectives.— Van

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